Between us, we have more than 65 years of helping children and their parents and caregivers.

We’ve lectured to hundreds of schools, businesses, and organizations in more than 30 states and a dozen countries, appeared on innumerable podcasts and summits, and partnered with international organizations to share our insights with populations across the globe, including families and children displaced by war.  As a duo, what always moves and motivates us is helping a child, a parent, a family, a school, or a community.